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On this very special first episode of
Big Time Fresh, I talked to my
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mom about her days as a lead
singer for a classic rock cover band in
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the early eighties. Here for the
first time that she and a bunch of
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nineteen year olds piled into a band
and booked gigs across the country. Enjoy
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the show. What's up everyone,
it's Bellamars and I am here with my
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new podcast, big time fresh.
What I'm going to be doing on this
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podcast is, you know, kind
of unboxing the lesser known sides of what
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is seen in the public eye.
So I'll be breaking down bands, pop
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culture, current events. But what
is most exciting is that I'm going to
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be having conversations with everyday people and
their experiences in life and what has had
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the biggest impacts on shaping who they
are today. So if you like the
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content or if you want to hear
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if you have a story about your
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talk about on this podcast, go
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Hearing a story that you've never heard
before about somebody's life may give you a
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fresh perspective on your own. So
that's what this podcast is about. I
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really appreciate you listening because, like
I said, it's my first episode,
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so I'm nervous. So anyway,
let's get into it. I know I
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said earlier that this is a podcast
that's going to be about everyday people.
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However, my first guest is not
an everyday person. In fact, this
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guest will probably be the most special
of all my guests forever and ever.
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Can you guess? That's right,
it's my mom. So why don't we
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start right from the how where did
you meet my first we met in a
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Japanese class at the University of Kansas. We're both half Japanese, but he's
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he's much more, uh, fluent
in the language than I was and for
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some reason I took intensive Japanese and
intensive Spanish and the same semester they dropped
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out of that class. But why
Spanish? At the time? I don't
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know. I always had oh,
come to find out later in Twi it
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all made sense when I did a
DNA test. But Um, I always
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had an affinity. I wanted to
learn Spanish, and so m I stayed
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with that for two years of intensive
Spanish. But I met I met your
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father in the Japanese class and one
day, I remember this pretty early,
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I had already been in a in
a band, I'd already I went to
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Japan and, uh, my mother
got me a session at a recording studio,
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at cannon records, and I was
yeah, I had no experience whatsoever.
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She knew a producer at N H
K, which is like NBC or
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CBS, you know, and in
the United States equivalent too. But Um,
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so the guy said, and I
think it was eighteen, and the
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guy said or seventeen, and I
said, Oh, you have a great,
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really great voice, but you can
tell that, you know, I
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was an experience and I was experienced. So he said go go back and
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get some experience and then come back
and see us. Because my intention was
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to too. When I finished high
school. I wanted to study linguistics and
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and Um, go to Japan,
and this woman, that one of the
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producers, said that she would get
me a job. And and then,
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and then I called, I called
Darren and Marty because they were looking for
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a female vocalist, because back then
we're talking seven, nine to eighty,
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you know, Um, there are
lots of gigs for live music, live
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music back then, and also it
was like just go and and, you
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know, pop, pop music.
So they auditioned me, they liked me
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and I got the GIG. So
fast forward to one day I was walking
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into one of the dorms at at
Ku and I was singing, just being
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obnoxious and singing a Linda Ronstad song
very loud, very loudly, and the
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guy that the desk happened to be
a friend of your father's and also a
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guitar player, and said, Whoa, you have a really great voice.
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We need a singer. Would you
like to sing in a band? And
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I said, oh, sure,
why not? I mean, you know,
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I'll try out or whatever. And
I can't I can't remember all the
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details, but they needed a guitar
player for the band too. Um,
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this other band and the one that
you were in for, yeah, the
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the one that your father and I
were finally, you know, we're into
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together. Um. And so he
came an auditioned and they liked him.
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We couldn't find a good drummer,
so Darren, who was guitar player,
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ended up playing the drums and then
your father came in to play the guitar
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for the band. Only one bass, one guitar, Bass Guitar. Uh
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Yeah, Bass Guitar, drums and
singer. Yes, some events may have
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may not be accurate in order because
it's been a long time. So that
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was that was. And you weren't. You were a student there living on
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campus when we we got going and
got rehearsing and everything started sounding good and,
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you know, we changed the whole
concept of you. When your father
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came in, it kind of changed
the whole concept of the band because they
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were more like top forty and and
your father started bringing in Jimmy Hendrix and
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led Zeppelin and you know. So
we kind of got into a more,
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you know, heavy mode, but
still had a really good mix. Was
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that more popular? It depends on
it depended on where where you played.
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So so and with us. Yes, because, Um, when I was
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with the first band, it was
top forty and I toured around with them,
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you know, from state to state. But we were playing like hotel
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moved to hotel circuits and club circuits, you know, where we would stay
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at the Hilton in and for three
weeks and we would play. Yeah,
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and so almost like a residency.
Yeah, for short, short term.
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So we would play three weeks at
a time at different hotels, you know,
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and then when your father came in
to the band, we changed our
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whole format and then what we ended
up doing was playing, you know,
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kind of weekend gigs, sometimes a
couple of weeks at a time. Just
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depends, but we're playing, you
know bars, more bars and different venues
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and opening up for some other bands
and things like that. What are their
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bands? This is so cool and
well, most of the stuff, I
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mean there were some some bands that
I know we opened up for Flash CANDILLAC
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and kind O kids. I don't
leave. Yeah, that was that was
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fun. What kind of venue was
that? That was? That was a
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pretty decent it was like an APP
outdoor amphitheater type thing. and Um,
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I think it was in Blue Springs, Missouri, and Um, we played
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the Opera House in Lawrence, Kansas, and I can't remember some of the
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names of the bands that we,
you know, we had opened for at
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the time and then we sometimes we
just headlined, you know, but Um,
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like an amphitheater, no, at
the at the Uppera House, and
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then, you know, we played. Yeah, we played for weddings and
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graduations and Bar mitzvahs and Bot mispah's
and you know and stuff, wedding singer.
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It's hard for me to wrap my
head around because they don't even have
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bands anymore, let alone residencies at
hotels and, you know, Um opening
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for especially you're a cover band too. Yeah, it was a cover band
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and basically that's that's just what it
was. You know, it was really
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not as as glamorous as you know
people who but it's kind of it's kind
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of, uh. It's interesting now
because, like you said, that there's
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nothing. People just don't do that
anymore. You just don't, you know,
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unless you're at a certain level.
People just don't get in a band
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and go travel around from from state
to state, you know, filling gigs.
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And one of the things it was
interesting, like when we were playing
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in the band, when we first
started playing, we got the band together
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and Darren was playing drums instead of
guitar, Pedro was playing the Um they
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get, you know, the lead
guitar. We changed our whole our whole
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repertoire. What the booking agent did
was there were there were bands. He
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had a certain certain number of bands
that would you know that he worked with
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and they would go contract from city
to city, you know, bar to
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bar, and then bands, as
they do, break up and so,
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you know, fight and break up, especially when you're on the road so
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long. So they would fight,
they would break up, and so,
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in order for him not to be
in breach contract, we would fulfill the
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contract of the band of that week. So Our Name, the name of
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our band changed, like you know, from from Gig to big sometimes.
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So one one, one time we
could be Mad Max, one time we
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could be snowblind, next week we
could be somebody else, you know,
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just so that our booking agent wouldn't
be in breach of contract. So that
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was that was funny. So you
could have different names. Did you have
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to promote on the street, like
hand out flyers, or to show up
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like it like back in the early
days? That was mostly our booking agent
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and our sound man and the book. You need to take a cut.
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Oh yeah, what what kind of
cut? I think it's, you know,
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I think it was maybe man.
You know. So the music industry
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has gone downhill tremendously for the musician, because gigs were abundant. You could
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make a living, you know,
you could make a living doing that and
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Um, not a great you couldn't
put a kid through college, but you
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could certainly, you know, survive. The Way I see the pop music
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is there's no drummer based lead guitar
singer. It's all electronics. They,
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you know, take advantage of all
everybody. And so they're saying the music
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industry is dying, and hearing this, I look at it in different ways
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because because it was certainly those kinds
of gigs are gone. Um, it's
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too hard. And I can say
it from the other perspective as a venue,
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as a venue owner, like we
had that we owned the restaurant.
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We we tried, Um and we
tried to do live music, Um,
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you know, booking live bands,
and it was just, you know,
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the bands would come in and they'd
make these atrocious demands for many yeah,
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they said, Oh, we want, you know dollars to play here for
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one night, and we would just
look at him and go good luck.
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And you know in in the bay
area there are so, so many bands
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and bands would go to restaurants but
they wouldn't even pay. I mean from
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what I know, yeah, they
wouldn't pay. Well, and and we
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we're guilty of it. I mean
it's it's a shame. I was very
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conflicted because I was in charge of, you know, booking these bands and
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I had to say you could play
here, but you know, the best
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we could do is compy of mail
some drinks and and help you pass the
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tip jar around to see if anybody
will pay you. Because but you know,
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it was just very difficult in every
aspect of owning, keeping the restaurant
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and running and managing the bar.
If we would have paid them, and
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you know even three, three to
five dollars, we would not make any
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money that night. Where did you
tour like? What? Well, we
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were out of we're based out of
Kansas. So then we went from,
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you know, all the way up
to Minnesota to the border, Canadian border,
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UM, international falls in Minnesota.
There's a big club there, and
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then we went all the way down, uh, down south to Texas.
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What are we talking? Crowd size
life most like I said, most of
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his bar, that the bar up
in international falls was pretty big. So,
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you know, in my mind,
in my memory, there could have
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been a hundred people in the crowd. Um, what do they know?
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They're coming to see rock music,
rock music, and we we um build
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ourselves as as Um classic rock with, you know a Jimmy Hendrix, Janis
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Joblin led Zeblin rush. Is it
because you had a your female lead singer?
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Now it's hard to say. I
don't think there are as many female
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rock singers. Do you think that
made it easier to to book some movie?
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Because I think so. Yeah,
I think so. And you know,
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I did a lot of I did
both male and female lead vocals.
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So for the Zeppelin and the rush, you know, to the Janis Joplin
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and Linda Pat Benatar. You know. Does you do free shows? Does
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you have to do free shows?
We we would volunteer. Maybe we would
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do a like a donation once in
a while before for fun. Yeah,
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for for charity. We've done that. We played a big outdoor Gig at
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Potter's Lake in Lawrence and that was
a pretty big, crowded that's something at
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the University of Kansas. So you
get were those so from the booking agent
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and they're just like, I don't
get paid, but Um, yeah,
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I believe so. And then our
sound man, who was very much a
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businessman, he kind of helped manage
and book a lot. So he might
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have signed us up for that.
I had I had no idea because I
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used to. I would just show
up. I would show up and help.
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Okay, I would help. Wait. So you had a sound guy
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also, with a sound man and
a light man, and these guys were
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father uh, knew them from this
engineering fraternity and in Nerd Yeah, Nerd
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uh, and they were both pretty
nerdy. And, Um, there's a
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story that we that would go go
with that. But some other times,
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but some other times we got our
whole lighting system. But Um, anyway,
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that would be you, like you
made it to the to the top,
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get paid for all your game.
Yeah, having a game, getting
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paid more, travel across state lines, Um, and you had all the
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equipment to call around, and now
people, you know, droppers, just
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show up and they still don't get
paid. Yeah, yeah, we had.
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We had quite a bit of equipment
and we had, uh, six
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people total, because we took the
sound man and the light man was us
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all the time. So then we
had, you know, in right today,
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Sanders, and have a big deal
because again, we're a comm band,
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you know, but but it was
kind of a, you know,
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a big deal back then. We
were, you know, very uh,
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we were able to sustain our livings
and, you know, have a good
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time and do things that we enjoy
doing, and I mean the fact that
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we get paid fifteen hundreds dollars,
you know, for for a weekend or
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something like that. In the eighties. Yeah, depending on and and sometimes
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we would do we would do we
would do a we actually got high school
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prom gigs. Yeah, and they
paid. They paid well. So so
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it was yeah, it was quite
it was quite the it's quite the at
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the time, you know, thinking
about being eighteen and nineteen years old and
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just being on the road and doing
that. You know, it's no no
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cell phone. Didn't have to call
mom very often else. See it when
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I see uh. Yeah, yeah, it was it was definitely a different
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time. But you know, when
I think about today, to so many
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of the opportunities that you know,
it's kind of a trade off because some
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of the opportunities that I see people
going on Youtube and, you know,
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making yeh, making their videos,
and I see it's just incredible talented people.
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You know that they would never ever
have a chance to even be heard
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anywhere, but not for this kind
of platform. It's certainly not in our
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tent. So in in their case, some of them will probably be wanting
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to make it big, but maybe
for for the rest of them it's just
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a creative outlet. Outlet, yeah, UM, and for us it was
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just a bunch of fun. Oh
my gosh, that's so creepy. And
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it's not like we were we were
drug addicts or you know. You know,
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after a while it does become a
job, that it it kind of
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attracts those types of it kind of
goes hand in hand with those kinds of
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problems, right, and I remember
being I think, I think we were
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coming towards the end of the life
of our banded. It was never intended
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to be a full time thing,
Um, especially with your or a long
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term thing, especially with your father. He's always had the PhD in mind
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and when he took off a year, I don't know, it was a
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year or semester, uh, from
college, his mother, Fach, Your
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Your Grandmother, they oh my God, they just like, what are you
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doing, throwing your life away?
But he was always he was always bound
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for for that. You know,
this was never gonna be and I remember
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going to bar so. Sometimes,
when you're in a town, I think
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we're in Iowa, like Des Moines
or something, and there's like three three
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venues in the same block right and
Um, so each band, like on
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a break, would go and check
out another band and then so we get
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to know each other and if we're
playing a couple sometimes we play two weekends
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in a row or something like that. We get to know each other and
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we would go and do things like
play, you know, get together for
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a softball game or something like that. And I just remember, I remember
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there were a couple of there was
there was one band and these guys were
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probably in their forties and I remember
watching them play and just kind of seeing
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their aging bodies and because that was
twenty and frey was a old yeah,
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yeah, was the sixty back in
the eighties. So I said, Oh
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my God, I do not want
to be like these people when I'm that
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age. So I was out,
you know, I was like I had
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to find something else, but I
always kept which I did, you know,
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and then and then I but I
always kept music and being involved with
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musicians and that in my life all
the time. Did you feel like it
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was you were it came to you, like all of the opportunities and to
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be involved with music came to you
randomly, or were you actively USIC?
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No, I was always actively seeking
out you know, I moved around a
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lot, as you know, and
and every place I went, every place
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I moved to, I sought out
musicians and, you know, fortunately,
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Um, I was able to work
with a lot of musicians but unfortunately not
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able to to, you know,
go for it all the way, because
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in order to do that you kind
of have to sacrifice a lot and almost
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everything, you know, because you
can't do it half asked. You know,
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you're either in it or you're out, and so you either do it
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a hobby. But if you want
to make it big, then you know.
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So if anyone wanted to make it
big, big, those days are
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over. Yeah, UH, unless
you, you know, just dazzle somebody
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like they get a lot of followers. And Yeah, and now they do
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these things called three sixty deals.
So the artist is basically given u six
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of his earnings are going to other
people. Manager gets off, or like
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off everything, whether or not,
Um, they booked it or you booked
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it. Then there's a business manager, then there's tour manager. Then it's
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like is that worth it, you
know, and I wonder if if people
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think about Oh, I want to
be famous the way we used to think
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about, oh I want to be
famous, you know, because we are
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looking at Van Halen and yeah,
you know, you're Smith and you know
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that been a hard heart, you
know, during those times. And and
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UH, they were. They were
pumping out hint hits. When we were
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on the road, we were just
copying those, covering those hits and,
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Um, and a lot of bands
behind demand. So, especially back then,
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you can't hear it really on the
radio at went on demand live or
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even it was different. It's definitely
different now. I mean I think the
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perception and field cover bands then was
more greatly appreciated because, you know,
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you would, you would go and
always fun. People would go just,
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Oh, there's a band playing.
Oh, let's go see him, let's
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go check them out, because it
was fun to go see a band.
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And then if they're playing the songs
that you really like and they do it
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well, then it's like bonus,
you know. So it was like,
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Oh, so we had a pretty
decent following, you know really and yeah,
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in Um, in the great the
state of Kansas. How could you
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tell about? Well, be because
people would say hey, you know,
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hey, you're from Mad Max.
Yeah, you know, and people would
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follow you on instagram. Yeah,
right, there was something, but yeah,
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but it was it was different,
you know, it was very different.
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And now if you're at a cover
band, they're like people are thinking,
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just kind of washed out, washed
out. And that was the thing
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when we were we were hiring people
to play at a restaurant in our meade
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up and every band that was a
cover band or like people my age and
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so the men would translate into these
these these gray haired, you know,
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kind of pop belly guys that that
you know played well or sometimes not,
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but certainly half deaf. So you
can tell them to turn down, you
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know, when you're playing in the
restaurant, you tell them please turn down
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your go down for about two seconds
and go right back up because they say
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they can't hear because been in there
for so long. Um. So then,
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when didn't you do the I know
you did. was there a track
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that you're saying over that was I
did. I did. I ventured out
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of a couple of things. I
Um, I collaborated with this I don't
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know what you'd call him now.
It's kind of kind of GRUNGE IN UM
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heavy alternative kind of kind of genre. and Um, I met these guys.
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I don't remember how, but again, seeking probably through an ad of
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was seeking out music. newspaper.
Yeah, newspaper or newspaper and or there
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might have been craigslisted that time.
I'm not sure. But the nineties.
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No, this was this was late
nineties. I'm getting candy. So,
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so, Um. I collaborated them
with them. They had a drummer and
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a bass player and so they had
a bassline and the drums and I,
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Um, I put a melody to
their stuff, to about seven or eight
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songs, and put a melody in
some lyrics. We found a guitar player
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and then I sang those songs.
So that was that. I did some
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work with a he was from Zimbabwe, but he had a reggae band,
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Dr Mooch, and then I met
some really talented, Um, extremely talented
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uh musicians and highly trained musicians from
one was a keyboard player from Spain,
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two guitarists from Argentina, a drummer
from Cuba and there was a bass player,
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uh, just from you know,
America. This is wh nice down
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in Miami. And so I started
experimenting with with Jazz. Do you think,
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saying how how the industry is now, that it was a good decision
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not to go well in yes,
yeah, it's too. I mean your
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chances of your chances of things,
and for that it was just like way
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too labor intensive. Did you have
to promote on the street, like hand
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out flyers, or to show up
like it like back in the early days?
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That was mostly our booking agent and
our sound man. He ended up
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owning his own sound company in Missouri. The Bass Player, Um stayed in
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Lawrence, Kansas, and he became
a real estate agent. What do you
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call air conditioning? And then are
drummer, the guy that played drummer,
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who played the drums, who used
to play guitar, ended up playing with
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Tim mcgrawl. He had a career
with Tim McGraw for about twenty years and
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I think so. So he made
um by uh, I don't know,
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by the definition. I suppose he
made it. Yeah, unless money was
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part of his definition of making it. Now I don't think so. You
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know, I remember we used to
have conversations about making it big, you
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know, just out of boredom,
because nobody was nobody was serious or ever
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imagined to me serious, and talking
about Oh, wouldn't it be fun to
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be on the David Letterman show or
and he actually did it and he played
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in auditoriums and all kinds of things
like that. He had he hit the
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big time with, you know,
Tim McGraw. Back then, did you?
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Did you feel like you wanted to
never make it big? I always
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wanted to be behind the scenes running
the show. I feel like it was
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what's super cool and like unique to
other people. was like yeah, got
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this, I know how to play
this. Oh yeah, my mom does
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this. You're right. Other people
and do perceive it as as something,
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something cool, because I have said, I told a few people and because
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I mentioned earlier. It's Oh,
wow, you're it was such a cool
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but you know background. Yeah,
so, man, that's awesome, but
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also really sucks for music as a
whole. I feel like popularity and being
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and being on instagram and the purpose
for going to concerts and and everything now
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is because you like them as an
artist and they're popular in the FAMAS and
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then you want to go take videos
there for what to post them, you
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know, just like so, I
was there and I saw this. Yeah,
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look at eyes alive. It's just
so it's disappointing. I think there's
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there's a much bigger gap of how
you feel. UH, your reputation,
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ast to other people, because before
nobody's talking here because you show up and
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you don't even know the person.
You've never seen that. And the great
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thing is, like you can leave
your you can leave and nobody knows anything
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about your your private life. Nobody
knows anything about any of you. Go
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they want to contact you, they
have to go to a damn pay phone
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and call you up with a quarter
after looking you up in a phone book.
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So all of that. It's you
know, it's just a different time.
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And and the end was imminent with
that. Oh, what was that?
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What was that Um Platform back in
the baster? Yes, the end
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was imminent when that came about.
It's like alright, done, it's done.
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The end is here, the end
is near. The streaming companies don't
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get like sixty some crazy amount.
So you know they'll be streaming, the
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artists will be streaming their songs and
like after six months we were like,
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oh, I made two dollars and
science off of royalty around the streams people,
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you know, people still. I
don't understand it, but people still
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are paying to record albums. Would
like do it almost I just you know,
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I don't. It's it's it's so
weird. I'm I'm just kind of
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out of touch with that, with
the whole with the way things are are
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are done now. I'm not I'm
not close minded to it. I wanted,
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you know, I'm I'm more curious, even though, you know,
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I'm older and I've been through all
that, but I'm more curious. I
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want to know how things work and
but it's just, you know, when
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you get wrapped up in in the
just the motions of life. Now,
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now music is for enjoyment and what
I love is that I can access any
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kind of music from anywhere and any
minute of any moment of the day,
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you know, and that's something we
definitely take it for granted. I mean
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when I just, you know,
say Alexa, play this or play that,
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and you know I'm always looking for
new music and new artists just to
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hear what other people are doing and
just to know that I can do that
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all the time. I think it's
just, you know, I think it's
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great. You know, back then
it was just really, you know,
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just going at it with a shovel
and a pick and a shovel, you
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know, but in comparison, but
it was fun and everybody minded their business.
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So that was the best thing.
There are people who are really passionate
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about playing that, playing the music, and they want to perform. They're
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also passionate about performing and there's no
place Tobat. So yeah, but I
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consider myself fortunate because in our Ameter
when we have festivals, you know,
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I got involved with the community and
Events and festivals and things and we created
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a stage. It's hard trying to
figure out how to make everything work,
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because the whole thing about music is
not even about making it, it's about
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promoting and brain me, which is
unfortunate too. You are the product and
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you have to market yourself and that's
that's if you don't know how to do
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that, you're shot to look and
you have to be good, because if
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you're not, everybody you have a
bad night. It's going on, it's
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going viral. So people are not
not that forgiving, you know, they're
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not that forgifts, and people still
want to hear like music. You know,
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people don't even think to hire a
band anymore. You know, nobody
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would hire a band to play for
things. Your phone up there put it
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on trouble exactly. Yeah, well, thank you for being my first episode
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and I think it's uh when years
comes out and we'll do the same thing.
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Do you have anything to plug?
Here's essentials? Okay, well,
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we have about more to talk about, but we'll favorite cool. Thank you.
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